Yuval Noah Harari, left, and Tristan Harris with WIRED editor in chief Nicholas Thompson. This transcript has been edited for clarity. As Harari said, “We are now facing not just a technological crisis but a philosophical crisis.” They are two of the smartest people in the world of tech, and each spoke eloquently about self-knowledge and how humans can make themselves harder to hack. I had the chance to speak with Harari, the author of three best-selling books, and Tristan Harris, who runs the Center for Humane Technology and who has played a substantial role in making “time well spent” perhaps the most-debated phrase in Silicon Valley in 2018. (And they’ll certainly know them before you’ve told your mother.) An advertiser in the future might know your sexual preferences before they are clear to you. YouTube knows how to keep you staring at the screen long past when it’s in your interest to stop. But then, says Yuval Noah Harari, another competitor joins the race: "You have this corporation or government running after you, and they are way past your mother, and they are at your back." Amazon will soon know when you need lightbulbs right before they burn out. As you get older, you begin to understand things about your mind that even she doesn’t know. When you are 2 years old, your mother knows more about you than you know yourself.
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